Dave Holland's Birthday

[funkydeuce]

April 5th, 1948 - I got this info from this forum - well, at least I wanted to remind all of you you have now more than a justifiable reason to put on some Trapeze or Judas Priest for that matter.

Dave, you rock.

[Still got the Blues]

Under the current circumstances do you really think we should be celebrating?
Great drummer maybe, but serving 7 years in prison for raping young children.

Sorry to be negative but somethings really are inexcuseable...

[Grace]

I have a feeling that Funky Deuce doesn't know about Dave Holland's conviction.

[funkydeuce]

Well I _do_ know about what happened to Dave.

Maybe you find no logic in what I do, but I have reasons.

First of all - you may think I am just a fan gone crazy who can't see the obvious, and this may very well be true, but.

I do not believe Dave could have done it.

So if you ask me - his conviction is merely injustice. And a frightfully serious one.
And I don't think that even if he had done that, he'd be feeling very cheerfully right now.

I believe it is appropriate that every fan of Dave's supports him now - at least on the spiritual level, as I do believe in 'supernatural stuff'. We shan't be pretending we never cared for him just because of all that.

That's my opinion.
PS Don't try to convince me. I live in a country where everyone knows: too often courts have nothing to do with justice. It's what life teaches us. Harsh, you say? I shan't be imposing it onto the realities of other countries? Sorry, I don't see the difference.

Even if no one else cares - I say - Not guilty.

[chutsler]

Kudos to you Funky Deuce!! I also find it hard to believe!!! No matter what the truth is....you cannot deny the fact that Dave was, is an excellent drummer!! I've only read or heard ONE SIDE of the story and that's not enough for me to condemn the man!!

[Dr Denbow]

the bbc reported on Dave Holland' case .....
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/northamptonshire/3487095.stm

Dr D

[funkydeuce]

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Originally posted by Chuck Hutsler:

Kudos to you Funky Deuce!! I also find it hard to believe!!! No matter what the truth is....you cannot deny the fact that Dave was, is an excellent drummer!! I've only read or heard ONE SIDE of the story and that's not enough for me to condemn the man!!

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Glad 2 hear u're with us... those who _don't_ believe. As 4 me, I do find all the accusations, as Dave has put it himself, ridiculous...
I feel that it is important 4 all Holland fans to stay together.
@JudasPriest forums there's a very indecent talk going on - those who didn't like Dave's drumming now make theories why he got the gig, and you may guess what they say. I don't like it at all, it is unfair.

I would very much appreciate if you mailed me personally because discussing the current situation that Dave is in will sound inappropriate on this board.
Freedom2Dave

[JohnH]

I do not believe the British justice system is as unfair as some countries...perhaps digging up the testimony, if it's publicly available like it is here in the US would tell the full story. I can't imagine he's innocent. But hey look at the US system, OJ was guilty as all hell and look where he is, chipping golfballs in Florida enjoying his ten grand a month pension from the NFL

John

[funkydeuce]

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Originally posted by JohnH:
I do not believe the British justice system is as unfair as some countries...perhaps digging up the testimony, if it's publicly available like it is here in the US would tell the full story. I can't imagine he's innocent. But hey look at the US system, OJ was guilty as all hell and look where he is, chipping golfballs in Florida enjoying his ten grand a month pension from the NFL


John

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Well as you so rightly put it, we don't know the full story. And I guess we will never know.

You're right mentioning the other cases (the celebrity cases - is Holland a celebrity now? Don't think so). There's been a lot of talk goin on, and I read several versions of what might have happened.

All the stuff printed about the case started contradicting itself at a point. Don't know whose fault it is, the reporters', the court spokesperson's - I don't know.

Well unless I had the full story given from either side that made me (me, and just me) sure he did it, I wouldn't be declaring Dave guilty. It's not only about the justice system. It is about the morality system. Too many complex nuances, and you can never know. But you can believe. Cause it is a right.

[Paul]

For those that might still be interested, there's a good discography and other related bits and pieces outlining what Dave had done musically prior to his recent conviction, at this Judas Priest related page:

http://members.firstinter.net/markster/PROFILE5.html#DAVE HOLLAND - DRUMS:

There's also reference to a 1994 Trapeze biography by Gerard Franklin - anyone know about that?

[funkydeuce]

Thanx friend,

That's an excellent page, JP Info, and the guy running it, Mark, is one of the most devoted JP fans, ever. A wonderful job overall.
Thanx 4 bringing it up, Paul.

As a matter of fact, this very Trapeze bio (a very cool one) is there @ Mel & Tom Galley's Phenomena site:

www.phenomenamusic.co.uk/page30.htm

Visit their site if u haven't yet, it's cool.

4 anyone interested - I am actually working upon a page about Trapeze and ex-members, and I was sent some great stuff about Dave by a local major Priest fan, Sergey 'Halford' (thanks man!), some of which I would love 2 share w/u soon right here. So u won't have 2 wait b4 I finish.

Anyway, Melville Galley and Peter Goalby r still hardly covered, so if anyone wants 2 help w/info, welcome!

[aitor77]

Originally Posted by Still got the Blues

Under the current circumstances do you really think we should be celebrating? Great drummer maybe, but serving 7 years in prison for raping young children. Sorry to be negative but somethings really are inexcuseable...

Let's stay true to the facts here... He didn't go to jail for "raping young children"... He went to jail for rape attempt and sexual assault on a 17 year old.

My take on this, as there's no way to know what really happened... let's just celebrate all the great music Dave Holland left behind during his career 1965-1998.